Sleuthing Creeley's Eye
to:bevcobett... from:firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re:postcards/posters .......pen looked at the postcards and she swears bob has a glass eye in his missing eye, facing right!!!!!!do you remember if way back bob had a glass eye???? pen thinks he lost his glass eye in india and never replaced it. do you have a memory? I don't have a memory. anyhow. that might just be the ONLY portrait of bob w/ his second glass eye, one other than the one lost in india. I wrote to ask bobbie!!!! ......pen says the card looks grand and she seems very pleased, if perplexed by the EYE. I have never noticed the second eye, because i KNOW there is just one eye and because of one eye spot in the image. I always thought that one eye spot and one eye bob made the picture perfect. cheers,e.
to: Bevcobett...., PenHC from:email@example.com Subject: Fwd: here it is.... well, the mystery continues. like the shroud of turin or seeing the crying madonna. I NEVER saw an eye in that image before pen mentioned the "eye" to me and now that's all i see. and it must be an illusion. it is my negative. never printed by anyone else. never touched. long long long before photoshop in any case. cheers.e.
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You're right. I keep looking at the photo and seeing the eye that can't be there. Wouldn't the socket be dark? yes, but that looks like an eye to me. AAGGHHHH!......See you Saturday. Bill
to:firstname.lastname@example.org from: bobbie hawkins date:5/1/05 11:59:39 AM subject:here it is Dear Ellie, The question is, did this print come from your files? At which point it is a mystery. But there were instances in the past where publishers took photos and "improved" them by making a second eye. This isn't the one I had in mind, but it does look like a second eye is there. And no, bob never wore a glass eye while I was with him. Let me know what the outcome is. love, Bobbie
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to: email@example.com Ellie:the plot thickens. Last night in Providence, where I had gone to hear Clark Coolidge read, I gave some of your cards to a poet named Mike Magee who had known Bob slightly. He took one look at the photo and exclaimed, "Is that an eye? It is, isn't it?" He wasn't really asking a question, just assuring himself that the eye he saw was there. I admit that I'm now convinced that Bob wore a glass eye that summer. When did he remove it for good???.......See you Saturday, Bill
to:bevcobett,pen creeley, bobbie hawkins, from:firstname.lastname@example.org subject: you will not believe this........... but when I had the original photographed SCANNED, for Bill's commentary on Bob for the Boston Phoenix, the scanner person at the Phoenix apparently put the other eye in the foto of bob!!!!!!neither bill nor I noticed when we proofed it. I totally forgot the scanner step when I assured Pen no one had touched my negative. No one had touched my negative but the print had been SCANNED.....a step I still haven't obviously incorporated into my psyche as being a possibility. I was just this hour housekeeping in my studio and found the ORIGINAL print that the scan was made from and bob has only one eye. I am dumbfounded. bill: how did we not catch this?????? I am beside myself. I am beside myself. So much for modern technology and how it lets people run away w/ things.....and on my side, so much for attention to detail. this is like a stamp w/ the flag upside down. xox.e.
To: bevcobett from:email@example.com Subject: Re: you will not believe this........... Cc: PenH, bobbiehawkins i think i figured it out. when i sent the original foto to the phoenix they scanned it.....if you blow up the image you and i have you can really see where they scanned in the second eye.....when you know what yr looking for. I only realized when i found the original print that I sent the phoenix. they had made me a cd w/ the image. it is hard to tell in the phoenix issue.....really hard to tell. anyhow. I am so dumbfounded.........it's like fdr standing by himself.......crutches airbrushed out....etc. etc. I don't know. it is definitely scanned into the cd i got from the phoenix. but it is easy to see how we didn't notice in the phoenix. but neither of us noticed in the card/poster proof. good thing we aren't radiologists reading mris. e.
To:firstname.lastname@example.org from: bevcobett...... 02:53 PM 5/4/2005 This is unbelievable! Who scanned it? Why would someone do that? I'm dumbfounded. Bill
-----Original Message----- From: Elsa Dorfman [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:49 PM To: Harvey Silverglate Subject: Re: Creeley & dog harv . you won't believe this. but the phoenix photoshopped in the second eye in the creeley picture. can you imagine.........the phoenix added an eye when they ran bill's creeley obit. xox.e.
From: "Harvey Silverglate" To: "Elsa Dorfman"
You gotta tell the Phoenix they can't do that on your photos. I'm aghast. The eye socket is an important part of the picture and the personna.
From: Bevcobett Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:05:21 EDT Subject: Re: you will not believe this........... To: firstname.lastname@example.org Checked with our designer Cris Mattison who didn't see it either, but says that with photoshop it's easy to add/subtract/airbrush, etc. What amazes me is why anyone would think it their right to put in the eye? Did an empty socket offend someone? Did they think the photograph left Bob's eye out? I think we didn't see it because we knew the photo so we weren't really looking at it. Yes, it's a good thing we're not reading x-rays! see you Saturday, Bill
From: Bevcobett Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:07:31 EDT Subject: Re: the phoenix To: email@example.com Don't feel like an idiot. We missed it because we weren't looking for it and were looking at the original. That's the photo that was in our mind's eye. Why not call Peter K and say did you know that someone at the Phoenix photoshopped my photo of Creeley and put in an eye that wasn't there? Of course he'll be as dumbfounded as we are. I can, if you want, let Jon Gareliuck know and he can look into it. Amazing! Bill
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 07:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Panzer Subject: Re: read this pls To: Elsa Dorfman firstname.lastname@example.org Elsa, what a story --- and what a warning. obviously the photo-shopper had no idea that he/she had done something terribly WRONG. but it's a perfect example --- of the way a correction can slip in through a technological step that is almost invisble -- imagine how hard it would be to catch if it had traveled any further --- does this mean that from now on every single image that anyone sends anywhere has to carry a warning: DO NOT CORRECT, IMPROVE CHANGE OR ALTER THIS IMAGE IN ANY WAY. ? I am still working. but it has to end very soon. love, Mary
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 17:04:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Concerning Robert Creeley From: Ben Carmichael To: Elsa Dorfman email@example.com Elsa, You know, that's really funny, because it was the first thing I noticed when you sent it to me. And, to be honest, I didn't know whether I was going to print it or not, because I felt like everyone else who knew him - that his missing eye was a part of who he was. And to memorialize him with both eyes raised some questions. What a great series of posts - I'm glad to know how it came about! I'll be sure to send you a copy of the magazine when it comes out. Many thanks, once again. All the best, ben P.s. Your interview on NPR was lovely. Bob was great at email. That bit made me laugh. X-Originating-IP: [22.214.171.124] From: "Kadzis, Peter" To: 'Elsa Dorfman' firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: RE: creeley has one eye Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:53:02 -0400 One eye indeed! Can we write about this for next week's paper?
It is soooo weird that someone added Bob's missing eye. Bob was so much abt his missing eye. Seeing w/ one eye changed his perspective and I always thought made him hypersensitive to art, to understanding/ catching on to work that I only got much later. And Bob always had a bandana, a red one, or a paper towel in his hand to mop his missing eye, mop the socket. The eye was gone but its absence was always there, weeping in its weird way. The way someone is tall or very short, or IS, in some physical way, Bob was the way he was, w/ his one eye. For those of us who have Bob imprinted in our brain, we don't even notice the two eyes. Our brain takes one out. But for all those people who forevermore won't see Bob Creeley, if they see him w/ two eyes in this portrait, they don't get the impact, the whole of one eye creeley. and the portrait loses its humor. it is no longer one eye dog and one eye man. Roland Barthes wd go insane. The missing eye was the PUNCTUM.
For me as the photographer i am totally flummoxed. The people at the Phoenix are family. And someone at the Phoenix was being helpful. trying to make my image better and trying to make Creeley look.......what.......like he had the two eyes they thought he had. Make him look normal. Someone who didn't know Creeley because to know Creeley is to know he writes in short lines and he has one eye and is a great poet.......So an age gap perhaps between me and Creeley and the photo person @ Phoenix. . But not to call me just to make sure they were clarifying an eye that was there but was hard to see. I was a phone call away. Everyone is a phone call away these days, even if almost anywhere. What does this say abt photoshop. Everyone who uses photoshop is so used to getting rid of the hair on the arms, the wisp on the forehead, of taking off ten pounds, of adding jewelry. used to making a person conform to some ideal the photoshopper has, w/o knowing it, in his/her head. the improvements the photoshopper can bestow go on and on. Reality hardly matters . I guess when 1spends hours working w/ photoshopand has inhaled the pssibilities of photoshop, endless that they are, one can't resist adding an eye to a poor guy w/ one eye.Can the photoshopper contemplate that the eye is gone and should be gone and doesn't need to be added to the poet's face. The missing eye isn't about missing light. The photographer doesn't need help.
In my portrait of bob creeley, reality really matters. The missing eye is essential Creeley.
What wd Bob say? I can imagine two scenarios. In one, he blows it off. Things happen. And in the other scenario, he's bugged. And in either scenario he worries if I am upset. And will Bill Corbett have to waste all the postcards and posters.
(scan of original print containing original eye)
- Reading by Robert Creeley in which he talks about writing En Famille in collaboration with Elsa
- Robert Creeley's website: http://wings.buffalo.edu/epc/authors/creeley/
- Creeley in Elsa's housebook
- Creeley and Dorfman's en famille book (web version)
- Bob Oakes talks with Elsa about Creeley on WBUR
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